Giuseppe Marotta (195 Viewers)

[lgorTudor]

Is there any reason to believe that Bayern are better than us? Barca and Madrid have been above the rest and us bayern and Atletico are in the next group if you ask me competing every year. You say we arent better but what makes you think that?

Speculations and market philosophy shenanigans aside they have factually beaten us last season, didn't disintegrate against Real this season and they are the only club we havent beaten in what, 10 years?

Honestly I have an easier time arguing we are better than Barca

 

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[Alen]

Big if, but if Vidal was the one, why generalize and say every player will turn out causing problems? If you keep a player and want him to respect his contract, make him feel important and stay competitive and the player in question will know his place and get over it. Perhaps change his mind as well

Madrid, Bayern, etc. all of them do this

We probably did this with lots of players. We couldn't do it with everyone, so some ended up being sold. If it was a question of money, a good bunch of our stars would have played in the richest EPL teams by now, or in PSG. They don't, so it means that we somehow manage to keep them here. I guess that some of our players are constantly tempted with top offers from abroad, and some told Marotta that they are thinking about leaving, or even asked to leave. But we convinced them to stay and those things stay withing the club. But in some cases we fail to keep the players, even though I'm convinced that a team of our stature does everything to keep them. So many different characters and situations out there. Some players can be convinced, some are too proud to get over a disagreement or a fight. Some need too little, some need too much.
What is publicly presented as "if a player is unhappy, he can leave", has much more than that behind the scenes.

 

[Ocelot]

Speculations and market philosophy shenanigans aside they have factually beaten us last season, didn't disintegrate against Real this season and they are the only club we havent beaten in what, 10 years?

Honestly I have an easier time arguing we are better than Barca

If it helps anything, we haven't beatn Lech Poznan either in the last decade, despite meeting them twice.

Also, stop praising Bayern ffs

 

[lgorTudor]

If it helps anything, we haven't beatn Lech Poznan either in the last decade, despite meeting them twice.

Also, stop praising Bayern ffs

Shut up, I hate Bayern as much as you commies hate full supermarket shelves and available toilet paper but I disagree that we are better than them right now. Lech Poznan? Let's put it this way: We have defeated teams that defeated teams that defeated Poznan.

 

[edgardavids2608]

So they are better because they won in overtime? Yes 5 years ago They were the best team in the world and clearly better than us but in the last 4 years that doesnt really hold up. We have knocked off Barca last year and Madrid 3 years ago and were a minute short in Munich. I just dont see what makes us some 3rd tier team just because we havnt beaten them head to head in the last 4 years

 

[lgorTudor]

So they are better because they won in overtime? Yes 5 years ago They were the best team in the world and clearly better than us but in the last 4 years that doesnt really hold up. We have knocked off Barca last year and Madrid 3 years ago and were a minute short in Munich. I just dont see what makes us some 3rd tier team just because we havnt beaten them head to head in the last 4 years

We aren't a third rate team, when did I say such things? We are between second tier teams and Real, Bayern and Barca - closest to Barca

 

[edgardavids2608]

I guess thats where we differ. You think a team that hasnt won it ib 6 years is in the same tier as Madrid and Barca which im not so sure about. I dont think we are either but they are in a different league which starts with transfers that quite honestly Bayern or us cant match so we are more strategic and build a team

 

[Post Ironic]

We aren't a third rate team, when did I say such things? We are between second tier teams and Real, Bayern and Barca - closest to Barca

Bayern and Barca are interchangeable for me over the last 5-6 years. Madrid a bit ahead due to multiple CL titles.

We're a slight bit below that tier still, maybe going by the past 3 years only, we could be on that Bayern-Barca level, but 3 years is too short to judge if we have staying power and can actually win a CL in the next couple years. A CL title before 2020 places us firmly in the top tier of the decade.

Sadly, we know how our story always ends in the CL.

 

[CalcioJuventus]

I think we are on par with Barca and Munich at this point. If anything Munich willl see a big decline once Robben and Ribery are finished. They are 33 and 34 respectively. James was a good signing but he wont be able to do what Robben does for them in terms of one on ones. It was a mistake to sell Douglas Costa

I think Chelsea is a bit behind us along with United. We get better every year. I was proud to see when we were playing bad against Barca how we brought Higuain, Dybala, Douglas Costa, Cuadrado and Alex Sandro on at the same time.. Those are elite players and we were playing good with them in the last 30 min

 

[pitbull]

if we talk about top teams in the last 5 years top1 is clearly Real, followed by Bayern and Barca, our 2 finals count little when measured up against the dominating style in which each of these teams cruised to a CL title in those 5 years, we probably come in 4th with our league dominance

if we talk about top teams right now, as in potential CL winners next season, I'd say Real>Bayern>=Juve>Barca. Whether Barca keep Neymar or not, much more important elements to their team like Iniesta and Mascherano are going downhill fast, also their goalkeeper is a disaster. Bayern are declining as well, but when I think who could challenge Real next year, they are the team that comes to my mind not Juve, so I put them slightly above us

 

[Juliano13]

if we talk about top teams in the last 5 years top1 is clearly Real, followed by Bayern and Barca, our 2 finals count little when measured up against the dominating style in which each of these teams cruised to a CL title in those 5 years, we probably come in 4th with our league dominance

if we talk about top teams as in potential CL winners next season, I'd say Real>Bayern>=Juve>Barca. Whether Barca keep Neymar or not, much more important elements to their team like Iniesta and Mascherano are going downhill fast and their goalkeeper is a disaster.

And if we talk about top teams in the last 4 years, we are more successful than Bayern.

 

[pitbull]

And if we talk about top teams in the last 4 years, we are more successful than Bayern.

oh right, we have 4 league titles and 3 Coppa Italia's while they have 4 league titles and 2 DFB Pokal's, I feel so superior to them bavarians

 

[Juliano13]

oh right, we have 4 league titles and 3 Coppa Italia's while they have 4 league titles and 2 DFB Pokal's, I feel so superior to them bavarians

And how many times did they reach the CL final?

 

[Zacheryah]

 

[Afghan_juventus]

In terms of quality right now I would say its:
Real
Juve
Bayern
Chelsea
Barca

In terms achievements over the last 5 years
Real
---------------
Juventus, Bayern, Barca
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Atletico

 

[pitbull]

And how many times did they reach the CL final?

reaching a CL final = success? sorry, wasn't aware of that, we should also add that SuperCoppa final we reached this season

 

[Juliano13]

reaching a CL final = success? sorry, wasn't aware of that, we should also add that SuperCoppa final we reached this season

This can't possibly be as stupid as it sounded. You must have something more to add to this?

 

[BayernFan]

In terms of quality right now I would say its:
Real
Juve
Bayern
Chelsea
Barca

In terms achievements over the last 5 years
Real
---------------
Juventus, Bayern, Barca
---------------
Atletico

How can we be behind Juventus if you talk about the last 5 years? In 2012 we reached the final, 2013 won a treble, 2014 SF, 2015 SF, 2016 SF, 2017 QF.

Also have in mind that Juventus didnt go far in the CL in 2012 and 2014 where we played in a final and SF. Not saying this to be arrogant or talk Juventus' achivements down, but if you compare the last 5 years its Real and Bayern, then Barca and Juventus.

If you talk the last 3 years (2015-2017), its Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona/Bayern Munich

 

[pitbull]

This can't possibly be as stupid as it sounded. You must have something more to add to this?

we just have different standards I guess. you think losing a final is a success, I think there is just one winner. I don't consider Roma or Napoli succesful

 

[Juliano13]

we just have different standards I guess. you think losing a final is a success, I think there is just one winner. I don't consider Roma or Napoli succesful

Winning a final is a success. But losing in the final is better than losing in the semi-final or losing in the group stage. Finishing second in the league is better than finishing 12th.In the last 4 years only 2 teams have won the Champions League, so by your logic everyone else is a failure and equally so. And Napoli and Roma have obviously been more successful than Inter in the last 4 years.

You are pretending like you have this super winner mentality, you only care about the title and everyone who says that reaching the final means something is a loser. In reality you have the loser mentality. Talking all the time how we far we are from the best and how we can't win the CL.