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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
11,379
I think they would be better under Conte. He is an excellent coach who manages to get the most out of players.

But I would say that the signings are not top players and very limited.
Imo what we lack most sorely is grit. Conte would be able to get the maximum out of the players but with this squad the limit is much lower than the sky grinta-wise
 

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Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
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I think they would be better under Conte. He is an excellent coach who manages to get the most out of players.

But I would say that the signings are not top players and very limited.
I really believe we have a recruitment problem due to always being forced to feed on scraps or leftovers from other richer clubs/leagues, too many gambles and opportunity buys on costly players that lack consistency…

Perhaps depending on the coach one or two might do better while a few others might just as well do worst, there’s no guarantees although a better coach can sure make more of a cohesive and organized unit out of this squad which could ultimately enhance the overall performance of most, but then again many of our signings do have clear limitations or simply tend to crumble under pressure.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,739
Is this guy on 6 or 6.5 million ?
Another player the is going to "love the club" until his contract expires.
he's on 12 million gross. he is never leaving untill 4 years from now.
edit: actually its 5 year contract lol. so even longer time for inter to win some titles and juve to further drift into midtable.
 
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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
11,379
I really believe we have a recruitment problem due to always being forced to feed on scraps or leftovers from other richer clubs/leagues, too many gambles and opportunity buys on costly players that lack consistency…

Perhaps depending on the coach one or two might do better while a few others might just as well do worst, there’s no guarantees although a better coach can sure make more of a cohesive and organized unit out of this squad which could ultimately enhance the overall performance of most, but then again many of our signings do have clear limitations or simply tend to crumble under pressure.
I've also been trying to figure out what I think the real issue is.

It's not the coach or the DS or the players. The club owner doesn't have enough involvement to affect the results on the pitch. He pays for the new players just fine and somehow they all turn out shit.

What was clicking 2011-2020 which isn't now? I don't get it. Marotta was all about the leftovers, gambles and opportunity buys.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,739
I really believe we have a recruitment problem due to always being forced to feed on scraps or leftovers from other richer clubs/leagues, too many gambles and opportunity buys on costly players that lack consistency…

Perhaps depending on the coach one or two might do better while a few others might just as well do worst, there’s no guarantees although a better coach can sure make more of a cohesive and organized unit out of this squad which could ultimately enhance the overall performance of most, but then again many of our signings do have clear limitations or simply tend to crumble under pressure.
I've also been trying to figure out what I think the real issue is.

It's not the coach or the DS or the players. The club owner doesn't have enough involvement to affect the results on the pitch. He pays for the new players just fine and somehow they all turn out shit.

What was clicking 2011-2020 which isn't now? I don't get it. Marotta was all about the leftovers, gambles and opportunity buys.
it's same problem that was with vlahovic and before that higgy and ronaldo. the club just is not a attack minded club. it's all about not losing instead of winning. just look at how top clubs like bayern, madrid or inter pass the ball around vs how juve does it.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,739
So you are an inter fan now?
It smells like peak trolling :).
i am just highlighting the gap in mentality. inter is a broke ass team that is aiming for titles. juve is all about plusvalneza so they can afford 4th goalies and cb back ups from new castle.

the gap will continue as long as this is mentality in managment.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
7,405
I've also been trying to figure out what I think the real issue is.

It's not the coach or the DS or the players. The club owner doesn't have enough involvement to affect the results on the pitch. He pays for the new players just fine and somehow they all turn out shit.

What was clicking 2011-2020 which isn't now? I don't get it. Marotta was all about the leftovers, gambles and opportunity buys.
One factor i’d sure say is the lack of experienced leaders in this current Juve compared to the one from that winning era, more so those that we already had here and didn’t even require purchasing, legends like Buffon, Del Piero, Chiellini, Marchisio that were at Juve for many years, whom had also experienced years where we struggled, however they were world class in quality/potential and still had a fierce winning mentality in them, basically the winning core was already there from the previous successful era which was an luxury to have on top of the newer signings that would find it easier to adapt and have the right conditions and advice around them to improve.

Then another factor is also the competition on the market today compared to back then, there were Barca,Real, Bayern, PSG and top 5 Premier League that were outbidding/challenging us, but not much else, nowadays it’s tougher because there’s Saudi,Turkish and even 8-20th placed Premier League teams that compete for the same players which leaves us with way less quality options to pick from without overpaying and risking more in our desperate attempts to make up for lost ground, because i agree we’ve surely spent a lot over this last few years, just that on many costly flops.

Not to mention the importance of having the right scouts, SD and coaches too in order to maximize potential and make the right picks according to the needs of the team, and then probably many other factors also whom are difficult to define, from Serie A’s overall financial decline in those years all the way to the present day transfers potential of our league rivals compared to back then when for many years we've barely had any serious Seria A competitors challenging us on the market internally.

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it's same problem that was with vlahovic and before that higgy and ronaldo. the club just is not a attack minded club. it's all about not losing instead of winning. just look at how top clubs like bayern, madrid or inter pass the ball around vs how juve does it.
That’s not really a good comparison considering that neither Higuain nor CR7 had actually flopped here when checking how many important goals they’ve scored and the number of trophies won here, not even close to some of the flops we are referencing to in this current team.

But i won’t disagree that we surely don’t make it easy for ourselves with the way we set up to play.
 
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Powis

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2009
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Can’t get over this.

It does not even look like a slip. Leg movements are so odd. I keep rewatching it and still can't figure out what exactly happened there.

Look like he’s shooting while balancing on his toes instead of keeping his pivot foot flat
 
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Mar 10, 2009
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it's same problem that was with vlahovic and before that higgy and ronaldo. the club just is not a attack minded club. it's all about not losing instead of winning. just look at how top clubs like bayern, madrid or inter pass the ball around vs how juve does it.
Ronaldo did very well here. Higuian was ok and Tevez was brilliant. The problem with this team now is that the players we buy are just not as good. Hard to say of the midfield or our strikers is our biggest problem. Things went down hill when we got rid of Beppe.
 

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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
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it's same problem that was with vlahovic and before that higgy and ronaldo. the club just is not a attack minded club. it's all about not losing instead of winning. just look at how top clubs like bayern, madrid or inter pass the ball around vs how juve does it.
In 2016 we had Mandzukic and Dani Alves as our wingers
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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A lot of players don’t fit in well in a new club or won’t perform on the same level as before. But our signings literally forget how to walk once they sign. Openda couldn’t control the easiest balls and this guy just falls around


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