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Tak!

Senior Member
Jun 23, 2011
3,771
I doubt Giuntoli would keep Allegri around if he could afford shipping him away. He seem to be fond of technical and athletic players that better suit other types of managers. Maybe I am wrong but when he came in, very late, it was too late to kick Allegri out and no budget for it. Will be interesting to see if Allegri steps down on his own, Giuntuli spend all his peanuts on replacing Allegri and probably not having any resources to get new players, or if he accepts another year that hopefully don't explode. That Allegri needs to leave should be evident for everyone. We should be able to roll over most of the league with the resources we have, but...
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
15,514
"Today, the focus should be on the club, which needs to sit down and give full authority to Giuntoli.It's right that the director starts deciding what to do for the next season because Juventus must return to being a protagonist on the field.This would not happen at any other big club.Still don't understand the management being so relaxed as there is possibility of missing out on champions league qualification.”

Tacchinardi to @_Morik92_
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
5,665
"Today, the focus should be on the club, which needs to sit down and give full authority to Giuntoli.It's right that the director starts deciding what to do for the next season because Juventus must return to being a protagonist on the field.This would not happen at any other big club.Still don't understand the management being so relaxed as there is possibility of missing out on champions league qualification.”

Tacchinardi to @_Morik92_
He obviously hasn't been watching Serie A the last decade or so...
 

Xperd

'Toli Throater
Jun 1, 2012
32,597
Which team is the best/worst? I'm showing only the 16 players who played the most during the season(s). In brackets their age at mid season.

2009/10
Buffon (31)
Grygera (29) - Cannavaro (36) - Chiellini (25) - Grosso (32)
Poulsen (29) - Felipe Melo (26) - Marchisio (23)
Diego (24)
Del Piero (35) - Amauri (29)​

Subs: Legrottaglie (33), Camoranesi (33), De Ceglie (23), Sissoko (24), Trezeguet (32)

2010/11
Storari (33)
Motta (24)- Bonucci (23)- Chiellini (26) - Grosso (33)
Krasic (26) - Aquilani (26) - Felipe Melo (27) - Marchisio (24) - Pepe (27)
Del Piero (36)

Subs: Buffon (32), Grygera (30), Barzagli (29), Sissoko (25), Quagliarella (27)

2023/24
Szczesny (33)
Gatti (25)- Bremer (26)- Danilo (32)
Cambiaso (23) - McKennie (25) - Locatelli (25)- Rabiot (28) - Kostic (31)
Vlahovic (23) - Chiesa (26)

Subs: Rugani (29), Weah (23), Miretti (20), Yildiz (18), Milik (29)
Imo, the 2010/11 team sucked the most, closely followed by the joke of the team we have at the moment. Yet we managed to change it almost completely (manager and players) and win serie A next season. Here's to hope that the same will happen in the summer and next May.
We dint change it completely though?

Buffon, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Marchisio, Matri.

That's 6 players that were part of the starting eleven and then you had guys like Quags and Pepe who were getting regular minutes too. Krasic was still part of the team but he did not play much at all. Same with Storari and Del Piero although DP had his moments.

That's almost half the squad we retained.

What's more important is the signings that we made and signing a coach who had a clear vision.

We added Licht, Pirlo, Vidal who transformed the team completely. Licht and Vidal were pure grinta players that this team is missing. Then you had players like Vucinic who made significant impact as well. Even mediocre players like Giach and Pepe were made to look good.

Our current squad is bad but there is potential in many of our players. We just need a strong mercato, an infusion of quality in key positions, a motivated coach with a clear vision and we can get back on track. Easier said than done tho.
 

Xperd

'Toli Throater
Jun 1, 2012
32,597
Union have an easy path to the FA Cup final. Beating Pool yesterday was significant imo.

I can see them retaining Ten Hag if they win the FA Cup.

Allegro would have the same problems at Union that he currently faces at JJ. It's a bad fit. They'd be looking at someone like Conte even who has already worked in England over Allegro. Let's be honest, he's not a big name anymore in the coaching circle.

Allegro is an Italophile. His next stop probably is the national team. He can do whatever the fuck he wants with them as long as he's out of JJ.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
65,910
Union have an easy path to the FA Cup final. Beating Pool yesterday was significant imo.

I can see them retaining Ten Hag if they win the FA Cup.

Allegro would have the same problems at Union that he currently faces at JJ. It's a bad fit. They'd be looking at someone like Conte even who has already worked in England over Allegro. Let's be honest, he's not a big name anymore in the coaching circle.

Allegro is an Italophile. His next stop probably is the national team. He can do whatever the fuck he wants with them as long as he's out of JJ.
Even man utd know Ten Hag is better than Allegri
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
8,183
Agresti on Allegri, seems like he is out

Juventus and Massimiliano Allegri: a long countdown towards the final credits
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A success in the last eight games, an embarrassing roadmap that certifies how the coach's fate is increasingly sealed.


For months I have been maintaining that, beyond the political jargon, Juventus has largely entered the mood of change at the end of the season. Via Massimiliano Allegri, inside a technician with different characteristics called to develop a new project. To be clear, someone like Thiago Motta, if not Thiago Motta himself.
The problem with this perspective, however, is timing. For weeks, in fact, we have been talking non-stop about the future while snubbing the present. And inevitably, Juve ended up in a damn negative vortex. Be careful, in terms of ranking the Bianconeri are fully in line with the objective to be achieved, but when you bring home just one success in the last excellent matches - well - the alarm bells start to become deafening and distressing.
Thinking that Allegri represents the only problem, however, would be a big mistake. To return to being a true Juve, Juve will have to revisit more situations at the end of this season. Examples: complete the sports area by inserting some figures attributable to Giuntoli; review the squad compatibly with the financial limits to be respected. In short, the current team is worthy of the Champions League and obtaining a top 4-5 finish is by no means a sporting miracle, but at the same time there is an aura of mediocrity that cannot go unnoticed.

THE FAULTS OF ALLEGRI
For a first round of applause, at least in terms of results, the seven points gained in the last eight matches represent a relegation average. Stuff of 0.87 per match, only Sassuolo, Salernitana and Frosinone did worse. Now, beyond the game/non-game theme, which put Allegri in the crosshairs when he won eleven trophies in five seasons and let alone now, it is striking how Max in the last month and a half (ample) has not managed in the slightest to shake the group from the point from a mental-motivational point of view. A much worse sign than the monstrosities recently proposed on the pitch. The team is apathetic, unmotivated and scared. A vertical collapse that allows no replies and which sees the technician as the main responsible.

IMMEDIATE EXEMPTION? NO!
Raise your hand if you are convinced that, by relying on an interim figure, Juve can find the main road again. Personally, I don't even see a credible and expendable profile on the horizon who can take on such an expensive commitment. Now, despite dealing with a dire situation that goes well beyond the concept of crisis, I believe that with the minimum wage - and perhaps some astral blows - the objective can be achieved. Overcoming a doomed Salernitana at home, getting the better of Monza in the last round, trying to dirty up some results here and there. In simple words, everything that should represent the basis of the discussion for the most expensive squad in Serie A. And then, let's face it, Allegri also resembles a sort of lightning rod. Let's imagine a Juve that decides to change immediately and doesn't find the desired shock. Well, who would take the risk of such an impactful choice in a ministerial environment? Nobody. Better to grit your teeth, close with Max and change with the bowls still.

THE ITALIAN CUP DOES NOT MOVE
The feeling is that, even if Allegri were to finish with a title, the scenario would not change. Thinking in such a superficial way would mean having completely lost your compass. If there will be a change in the coach, and for me it will be, it is because Juventus have evidently matured and need a breath of fresh air. All very physiological, even considering how Allegri represents the choice of a management that no longer exists. From the farewell of Andrea Agnelli through Federico Cherubini (with another role and expiring...) and other managers belonging to Amarcord. Cristiano Giuntoli has been given a five-year project and, once the first year of settling in is over, it is reasonable to expect that he will be able to start making a significant impact.

EXIT STRATEGY
Still tied to the last year of his contract, Allegri confirmed that he has not yet discussed the future topic with the club. Textual: “ When the company has decided they will let me know ”. The salary of 7 million net plus bonuses is impactful, especially if placed in context with a red in the balance sheet which as of 30 June 2024 is estimated to be higher than that of 2022-23 (-123.7 million). The possible qualification for the Champions League and access to the Club World Cup, however, make the situation more sustainable. Even more so considering the latest capital increase of 200 million. Ergo, the Old Lady has her back covered and can afford to face the costs of a possible extreme decision. Unless the parties decide to reach a solution in terms of contractual termination. But this is another story, yet to be written.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
8,007
We dint change it completely though?

Buffon, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Marchisio, Matri.

That's 6 players that were part of the starting eleven and then you had guys like Quags and Pepe who were getting regular minutes too. Krasic was still part of the team but he did not play much at all. Same with Storari and Del Piero although DP had his moments.

That's almost half the squad we retained.

What's more important is the signings that we made and signing a coach who had a clear vision.

We added Licht, Pirlo, Vidal who transformed the team completely. Licht and Vidal were pure grinta players that this team is missing. Then you had players like Vucinic who made significant impact as well. Even mediocre players like Giach and Pepe were made to look good.

Our current squad is bad but there is potential in many of our players. We just need a strong mercato, an infusion of quality in key positions, a motivated coach with a clear vision and we can get back on track. Easier said than done tho.
This is the difference it makes when you have a strong identity, philosophy and sense of character at the club. Making Giaccherini and Pepe look good vs making Vlahovic and Chiesa look bad.
 

Xperd

'Toli Throater
Jun 1, 2012
32,597
This is the difference it makes when you have a strong identity, philosophy and sense of character at the club. Making Giaccherini and Pepe look good vs making Vlahovic and Chiesa look bad.
This is what Allegro has failed to and some throaters still haven't come to this realization.

Having said that, we do need some 'experienced champions' both on the pitch and at a managerial/directorial level

We are lacking an identity not just on the pitch but off it too. Some club legends need to be brought back to the club.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,359
Who gonna be the master class we replace him with? Better yet who gonna wanna come when you gotta a midfield that has locatelli aka squatter in it?

Thankfully we have a huge selling point to attract a good skipper. Good ol’ Made in America Weston McKennie
 

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