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Jun 16, 2020
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Ah, yes, the great scientific values that Christianity is known for.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the church did actually play a role in the foundation of the universities of Bologna, Oxford and Paris.

Over 2000 years of history it’s a dynamic between things that went right and wrong. Copernicus and Galileo as famous examples of why things went wrong, dogma killed them. But also undeniable things such as the Vatican Observatory, translations of old manuscripts over the centuries, philosophy, art, etc.

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He doesn’t care about that because the player isn’t a drag queen.
Sadly those people aren’t famous for achieving anything but a freakshow

Btw tell me that story again of Christian’s who killed people for mocking their religion during the ceremony
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Chicks are for fags. :snoop:

"They're not tough? They fuck MEN"

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Correct me if I’m wrong but the church did actually play a role in the foundation of the universities of Bologna, Oxford and Paris.

Over 2000 years of history it’s a dynamic between things that went right and wrong. Copernicus and Galileo as famous examples of why things went wrong, dogma killed them. But also undeniable things such as the Vatican Observatory, translations of old manuscripts over the centuries, philosophy, art, etc.

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At one point Islamic scholars were great scientists too.

It ebbs and flows.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Correct me if I’m wrong but the church did actually play a role in the foundation of the universities of Bologna, Oxford and Paris.

Over 2000 years of history it’s a dynamic between things that went right and wrong. Copernicus and Galileo as famous examples of why things went wrong, dogma killed them. But also undeniable things such as the Vatican Observatory, translations of old manuscripts over the centuries, philosophy, art, etc.

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Sadly those people aren’t famous for achieving anything but a freakshow

Btw tell me that story again of Christian’s who killed people for mocking their religion during the ceremony
And Islam doesn’t have the exact same sort of history? The Islamic Golden Age preserved and expanded upon the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans while Christian Europe was going through the Dark Ages. And then barbarically crusading to the “holy land” to kill Islamic infidels.

Civilizations and value systems (based on religions or otherwise) go through rises, peaks, declines, and falls. The fact some of y’all still think only Christianity and its values could ever have created a modern world is laughably ignorant.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Civilizations and value systems (based on religions or otherwise) go through rises, peaks, declines, and falls. The fact some of y’all still think only Christianity and its values could ever have created a modern world is laughably ignorant.

It'sn not just that. Any society is really a mixture of cultures. This is particularly true for Europe that has had large multinational empires. The Romans had various religions in their empire and christianity arrived late in their reign. But Roman law plays a significant role in how we built up our legal and administrative system. The ancient Greeks were never really influenced by christianity, but their mathematics and philosophy are taught in every European school today. Then the Arabs arrived and we took knowledge from them too. Nothing in this world exists alone.
 
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campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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And Islam doesn’t have the exact same sort of history? The Islamic Golden Age preserved and expanded upon the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans while Christian Europe was going through the Dark Ages. And then barbarically crusading to the “holy land” to kill Islamic infidels.

Civilizations and value systems (based on religions or otherwise) go through rises, peaks, declines, and falls. The fact some of y’all still think only Christianity and its values could ever have created a modern world is laughably ignorant.
Stop it. You’re making the Christians here very cross.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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It'sn not just that. Any society is really a mixture of cultures. This is particularly true for Europe that has had large multinational empires. The Romans had various religions in their empire and christianity arrived late in their reign. But Roman law plays a significant role in how we built up our legal and administrative system. The ancient Greeks were never really influenced by christianity, but their mathematics and philosophy are taught in every European school today. Then the Arabs arrived and we took knowledge from them too. Nothing in this world exists alone.
Yeah and nobody is claiming what Post Ironic is saying, it’s a false claim. But you can’t ignore that Christianity did indeed play a huge role in the foundation of Western societies, after all it has been the dominant religion since Constantine adopted it.

I find it interesting though to see that Europeans here are up defending Christianity, and overseas you see more frustration towards it. Interesting fact in this thread. Shows how different they’re there
 

GordoDeCentral

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I wouldn't phrase it that way, but you are correct in saying that all sorts of interests groups often try to claim historical figures as one of their own without much evidence.

In this particular case court records do show that Da Vinci was charged with sodomy regarding a male prostitute. Charges were later dismissed, but one of the codefendants was related to the de Medici family and it is suggested there was some undue influence. Of course this is not evidence that he was in fact homosexual, but it's not entirely made up either.
I think the accusation was the equivalent of me saying andy is gay because he likes coldplay

What does any opening ceremony have to do with sports, though? They're usually an homage to the history and culture of the host city or nation.

And that Islam argument is just woke posturing for the Oppression Olympics.



I'm pretty convinced da Vinci was into da Gays. But you're correct in that I never understood how a lot of the social groups that gays affiliate with have a lot centered around whom they have sex with, even if the social group is nobody they'd have sex with.

I never understood that. It's as if saying "All four of us like the taste of male ass, so let's form a bridge club." :janna:

If someone gay can explain it to me, I'd be eternally grateful. I never understood it.
Being gay comes with its own set of predispositions to certain mental issues, hypersexuality and compulsive sexual behavior come to mind in this context.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Yeah and nobody is claiming what Post Ironic is saying, it’s a false claim. But you can’t ignore that Christianity did indeed play a huge role in the foundation of Western societies, after all it has been the dominant religion since Constantine adopted it.

I find it interesting though to see that Europeans here are up defending Christianity, and overseas you see more frustration towards it. Interesting fact in this thread. Shows how different they’re there
That duranfj guy just up thread said exactly that. The world would still be a medieval shithole if not for Christianity and its values. Deflect some more dude.
 

maxi

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Aug 31, 2006
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Religion has killed the most people in the history of the planet.
Another one who peddles this popular facebook myth. Religion is responsible for 6.8% of all known conflicts in history. Far from the leading cause.

Conversely, in the last century alone, communist atheistic regimes were responsible for more deaths than religion was in the entirety of its existence.
 

duranfj

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Jul 30, 2015
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Maybe the most random thing I've read on here.
Let’s play nonsense. Let’s say that centuries of Christianity has nothing to do with western values. Nothing to do with our constitutions and every western value came out from a mix between Pacha mama, drugs, Islam, Universe, Cancel culture and woke
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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The question should be if there are heterosexuals on Tuz. Nothing gayer than a bunch of dudes who drive away the last remaining women off the forum so that they can have it all to themselves.
:lol2: We just reverse she-shedded this place.

He doesn’t care about that because the player isn’t a drag queen.
Meanwhile, people are blowing-up six-pixel images of a guy's nutsack on two frames of an Olympics video feed and triangulating the distance to the nearest on-stage child with colored arrows. And yet that somehow is more depraved than a convicted child rapist. :boh:

Chicks are for fags. :snoop:
Is it Tateism Tuesday?
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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Let’s play nonsense. Let’s say that centuries of Christianity has nothing to do with western values. Nothing to do with our constitutions and every western value came out from a mix between Pacha mama, drugs, Islam, Universe, Cancel culture and woke
If anything, the values of the enlightenment, rationality and modern ethics are based on ancient Greek philosophy.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Can you elaborate what those values are?
Human dignity, family/community values (instead of individualism which is more a US export product btw), forgiveness, charity, ethics, holiness of life (not sure if well translated, see conservatism on abortion nowadays) are definitely values which are imbedded in Christianity and became core values of Western societies
 

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