So when did it all go wrong? (Let's address the issue) (1 Viewer)

Mar 10, 2009
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#1
Back in 2018 we had just signed the best player in the world, CR7. We managed to reach the CL final in twice in 3 years and we genuinely were a top 3 squad in Europe. I genuinely expected Juve to become a super squad. I've go to say I don't think anyone would have predicted the sudden decline in quality. At least back in 2006 we can pin it down to the Calciopoli but come 2026 the issue seems like mystery. So who is to blame? When did this all start?

Signing Ronaldo?
Covid?
Super League?
Pirlo as coach?
Firing of Beppe?
Giuntoli?

I can understand one bad season, but there is no silver lining anymore.
 

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.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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#5
But it can all be attributed to one individual. Since everyone likes to strap on the kneepads to praise Agnelli, the blame also lies with him.

Marotta was the true mastermind behind the success in the field. The minute he was forced out and Tici was installed by Agnelli, this is the destiny that was written.
 
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    But it can all be attributed to one individual. Since everyone likes to strap on the kneepads to praise Agnelli, the blame also lies with him.

    Marotta was the true mastermind behind the success in the field. The minute he was forced out and Tici was installed by Agnelli, this is the destiny that was written.
    We were supposed to be the Bayern Munich of Italy. The team that dominates domestically and the only one in the nation that can compete in Europe. Transfer policy has been awful.
     

    mjromeo81

    Senior Member
    Aug 29, 2022
    1,806
    #7
    When the decision was made to turn Juventus into a lifestyle brand. Our entire history and core values is based on winning trophies. This is what brings in money, reputation, and new supporters.

    I can accept not being competitive in the UCL due to the financial gap. But in Italy? Serious questions need to be asked of senior manglement and ownership.

    This club has a massive identity crisis and is lacking leadership.
     

    Quetzalcoatl

    It ain't hard to tell
    Aug 22, 2007
    67,454
    #11
    From L’Avvocatto to L’Incompetente

    Two different legacies.

    Here’s the latter

    Dunno if to laugh or to cry

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    Lets not beat around the bush, it was marotta’s departure
    Yeah but it can't be there's only person capable of running the club. It's weak from the top.

    The FIGC would've kept coming after us for Beppe's shady dealings anyway. He's only allowed to get away with it at inter
     

    Juve-Fan-Iraq

    Senior Member
    Oct 7, 2023
    3,628
    #12
    Cristiano, commercialism, logo change, covid. Not to mention figc – who continues to rape us. But it is really all related to a single decision which was signing Cristiano. I have always preferred him over Messi but he completely destroyed the identity we built for many seasons. That put us at odds of being a collective team vs one that serves one superstar. We didn't really need a guy hogging the scoring charts, we needed a consistent striker (whom we had in Higuain - people hated on him and now it is clear he was the last great striker we had) and a rejuvenation of the defence and midfield post 2017 final collapse. It is all easy to say now but what shocks me is we continue fucking up to no end, and the issues and the rot are so deep that I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have so much anger inside me because of juve honestly and it is genuinely unhealthy. I am really considering to stop watching juve until next season. There is literally nothing to look forward in football these days.
     

    Badass J Elkann

    It's time to go!!
    Feb 12, 2006
    72,834
    #13
    Back in 2018 we had just signed the best player in the world, CR7. We managed to reach the CL final in twice in 3 years and we genuinely were a top 3 squad in Europe. I genuinely expected Juve to become a super squad. I've go to say I don't think anyone would have predicted the sudden decline in quality. At least back in 2006 we can pin it down to the Calciopoli but come 2026 the issue seems like mystery. So who is to blame? When did this all start?

    Signing Ronaldo?
    Covid?
    Super League?
    Pirlo as coach?
    Firing of Beppe?
    Giuntoli?

    I can understand one bad season, but there is no silver lining anymore.
    Fuck Elkunt, Fuck Cuntmolli. Case closed.
     

    decfro

    Senior Member
    Jul 3, 2009
    685
    #14
    Fuck Elkunt, Fuck Cuntmolli. Case closed.
    no serious owner, or at least an owner with a giant pair of balls, sadly elkunt is not the one for this club.Sell it,you are the reason and the only reason we are here.Sell it to someone that will gives our grit back, and put fear in our opponents, we are a mirror of our owner, pale faced, 110 lb weakling, that can't stand up for himself, knowing full well he could bitch slap this corrupt league, but being the pussy he is, he'll just back down anyway, gutless, little man, no backbone, look at him is anyone afraid of this cuck, seriously anyone.Fuck off if your grandfather was here, he would fuck this league and this prick up the ass, without working up a sweat.We won't get back to being us until this prick is removed, one way or another.It's the fans ,fighting in the courts for this spineless owner, that is the sad part, really.
     

    s4tch

    Senior Member
    Mar 23, 2015
    38,729
    #15
    ...He's only allowed to get away with it at inter
    you might wanna check the juve ndrangheta rulings and try to spot marotta's name

    same with the famous plusvalenza case. they banned cherubini who wasn't even at the club during the guilty years lol - but marotta signed plenty of contracts in question and his name remained clean

    inda ndrangheta case? he posed with mafiosi, there are multiple pictures. he talked with them, there are wiretaps. he warned them about surveillance. he hired the sister of a pentito. but he's clean. he was just managing the injured party.

    he was never even charged with anything. he's untouchable at either clubs.

    btw ndrangheta disappeared from the jj curva right after he left. and they showed up in milano right after the chinese signed beppe up.

    no one will ever confirm this, but i have a strong feeling that he was forced out because of his mafia ties.

    and yes, juventus was strong until it was strong on and off the pitch. politics are part of the sport, regardless of whether we like it or not. andrea agnelli was the president of eca, he was one of the most important people in european football before their insane strategic blunder with the superleague. and only jj was punished for that - once agnelli was threatened with arrest and forced to resign due to a rule that is never enforced, the club stopped existing and became an extremely easy target, just like after the death of l'avvocato. calciopoli and plusvalenzapoli were the same in many regards

    and yes, marotta was our last competent senior manager. that's by far the biggest problem at the club.
     

    Fr3sh

    Senior Member
    Jul 12, 2011
    37,937
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    Cardiff

    Halftime
    Yuup
    One of the most humiliating finals imo, only ones more humiliating was Milan v Liverpool and the recent Inter v PSG

    How do you concede 3 goals throughout the entire CL campaign, then proceed to concede 4 in the finals.....

    Also 2nd key event is the JJ rebranding. JJ reeks of mediocrity.

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    Also another key mistake was after we lost finals vs Barca, we should've signed Mandzo right away and kept Tevez. Tevez, Mandzo and Vidal trio would have gotten us a CL, I have no doubts about it.
     
    Mar 12, 2019
    3,045
    #17
    There isn't one Mistake. There are several mistakes that happened one by one and saw our beloved club going down step by step. Like a textbook for a downfall.

    Somebody mentioned Cardiff. Yes Cardiff and the next year elimination from Real Madrid with the penalty of Benatia. That was the beggining of our decline. That’s where it started for me. That was our peak. That team had reached its maximum. And from there, mentally, something broke.


    Next year we bought Ronaldo for freaking 100 mil, and lost Beppe Marotta. Paratici, Nedved and Agnelli were in a bad cocaine trip. They changed the Logo, focused more on cringy marketing vibes and started to do shady financial moves. Zero balance...

    Covid came. We lost money like a lot.. Agnelli tried to save us with the Euroleague only to get exposed and put Juventus in a position that will hurt us the most after Calciopoli financialy and in a sporting way.

    On the pitch it was even worse. We buy Ronaldo and later Matthijs de Ligt for huge money. Meanwhile we let go of leaders like Gonzalo Higuaín, Sami Khedira, Miralem Pjanić. Only to replace them with Arthur Melo, Adrien Rabiot, Aaron Ramsey and Morata round two. We paid huge money for Melo aswell.


    Chiellini and Bonucci getting older, no real succession plan. De Ligt never became what we thought. Ramsey was shit and injured Rabiot was Rabiot, Arthur was Shit and a complete disaster. The so-called rejuvenation completely failed.

    Then the coaching circus. Maurizio Sarri out, Andrea Pirlo in. That alone screams “we don’t know what we’re doing”. We bring Dušan Vlahović but after 6 month we lose Dybala. Federico Chiesa ACL injury after the Euros where he shined and we were expecting him to lead the team. We sold De Ligt for less than we paid and bought Bremer (Later also ACL injury and a huge loss) Allegri comes back and tries to stabilise the club and the team with his antifootbal but at least we are somehow winning games and are 2nd to inter. But FIGC fucked us with point deductions and Giuntoli the new sporting director directly sabotaged Allgeri and Juventus because of his perfect plan to Bring Motta.


    Motta came with a new fresh air of footbal and hype.. only for him and Giuntoli to spend 200 milion on flops and lost cases. Motta Sacked Giuntoli sacked.. another season lost.

    And after Tudor saves us the humiliation and catch the top 4 for Chl footbal the next season. Comolli the new CEO instead of appointing a new manager in the summer he fucked up even more with trusting Tudor and doing a terrible mercato.
    Tudor ofcourse sacked after 3 month and we bring Spalleti.

    Spalleti comes mid season some hype after some wins, the team plays a bit better than previous. Only to Colapse in 2 weeks. Season is lost but still not ended WE ARE FiGHTING for top 4 in seria a and most likely will bottle that.

    All in all. This isn’t bad luck. It’s not one referee decision. It’s not one transfer. It’s a chain of bad leadership, ego, panic moves and zero long-term planning.

    We didn’t fall in one night.

    We dismantled ourselves piece by piece.

    Some things to note. In all this bad cycle. We got Kenan Yildiz.

    We had a good generation of tallents with Yildiz, Soule, Mbangula, Hujisen.. but nobody was at the level except Yildiz. Yes because Gatti and Kostic are at the level..

    Any ways in these 6 seasons here are some memorable results..

    Inter - Juventus 4-2
    Chelsea - Juventus 4-0
    Juventus - Villarral 3-0
    Napoli - Juventus 5-1
    Atalanta - Juventus 4-0
    Sasuolo - Juventus 4-2
    Empoli - Juventus 4-1
    Fiorentina - Juventus 3-0
    Maccabi - Juventus 2-0
    Psv - Juventus 3-1
    Como - Juventus 2-0
    Juventus - Como 0-2
    Galatasaray - Juventus 5-2

    Plus some loses at home from teams like Beneveneto, Monza, Empoli that i can remember.

    The only guy who lost so much money and managed to make Juventus worse is Elkann. He is the biggest loser here. Incompetent "leader" who is getting fucked by the likes of Paratici, Giuntoli and Comolli.
     
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    Bianconero81

    Ageing Veteran
    Jan 26, 2009
    40,241
    #18
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    Cardiff

    Halftime
    Exactly this. That 2017 team was already light in some areas, weak in others. We had, arguably, the best midfield in the world in 2015 but proceeded to weaken it year after year, bringing in Free French Faggots like the Benign Baguette and Suckatelli, the epitome of contemporary Italian talentless hacks.

    In hindsight, acquiring Ronaldo was a mistake. We didn't need a reboot or a reset. We just needed two quality upgrades in key positions.
     

    RoiLezard

    LizardKing in black&white
    Apr 7, 2018
    2,561
    #19
    When you ditch the values and identity that made you great for decades just to chase corporate trends and marketing gimmicks, you hollow out your own culture. We went from one of the most iconic logos in football to something that looks like a fashion startup. That wasn't evolution, that was identity suicide.

    I'm all for modernization, but selling your soul to the globalization hype machine was the beginning of the decline. The leadership knows it too. They know the only real solution is a full reset, top to bottom. But instead of owning it, they cling to power like failed rulers who can't admit they've driven the ship into the rocks.

    This club didn't lose its way overnight. It chose to.
     

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