So when did it all go wrong? (Let's address the issue) (2 Viewers)

[B3N]

you might wanna check the juve ndrangheta rulings and try to spot marotta's name

same with the famous plusvalenza case. they banned cherubini who wasn't even at the club during the guilty years lol - but marotta signed plenty of contracts in question and his name remained clean

inda ndrangheta case? he posed with mafiosi, there are multiple pictures. he talked with them, there are wiretaps. he warned them about surveillance. he hired the sister of a pentito. but he's clean. he was just managing the injured party.

he was never even charged with anything. he's untouchable at either clubs.

btw ndrangheta disappeared from the jj curva right after he left. and they showed up in milano right after the chinese signed beppe up.

no one will ever confirm this, but i have a strong feeling that he was forced out because of his mafia ties.

and yes, juventus was strong until it was strong on and off the pitch. politics are part of the sport, regardless of whether we like it or not. andrea agnelli was the president of eca, he was one of the most important people in european football before their insane strategic blunder with the superleague. and only jj was punished for that - once agnelli was threatened with arrest and forced to resign due to a rule that is never enforced, the club stopped existing and became an extremely easy target, just like after the death of l'avvocato. calciopoli and plusvalenzapoli were the same in many regards

and yes, marotta was our last competent senior manager. that's by far the biggest problem at the club.

Conveniently ignored because it won't fit the narrative as if AA wasn't the one who hired him in first place and hold his hand after that samp like disaster of a season until we got going as if beppone didn't manage to dismantle a world class midfield as if gol di muntari never happened and so on..

 

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[Ventus]

Why are people blaming Cardiff? Had we won the CL we would have still declined. I would still argue we were a top team in 2018. Cardiff isn't the reason we have the terrible squad we have now. Something has gone really wrong. At least back in 2006 I had hope because we had some world class players such as Del Piero, Buffon and Nedved. Now we have no one.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Cristiano, commercialism, logo change, covid. Not to mention figc – who continues to rape us. But it is really all related to a single decision which was signing Cristiano. I have always preferred him over Messi but he completely destroyed the identity we built for many seasons. That put us at odds of being a collective team vs one that serves one superstar. We didn't really need a guy hogging the scoring charts, we needed a consistent striker (whom we had in Higuain - people hated on him and now it is clear he was the last great striker we had) and a rejuvenation of the defence and midfield post 2017 final collapse. It is all easy to say now but what shocks me is we continue fucking up to no end, and the issues and the rot are so deep that I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have so much anger inside me because of juve honestly and it is genuinely unhealthy. I am really considering to stop watching juve until next season. There is literally nothing to look forward in football these days.

Didn’t watch yesterday’s game and only watched the highlights (or lack thereof). I’m done with this team for the season. They don’t deserve my free time, support, interest and money from various subscriptions/merch etc. I’ll see how the next mercato goes (will probably be worse than this one) and then consider if I will waste my time with this retarded club again for the future.

 

[Juve-Fan-Iraq]

Didn’t watch yesterday’s game and only watched the highlights (or lack thereof). I’m done with this team for the season. They don’t deserve my free time, support, interest and money from various subscriptions/merch etc. I’ll see how the next mercato goes (will probably be worse than this one) and then consider if I will waste my time with this retarded club again for the future.

It was a tough watch. The French Montana horseshit, the jersey, the performance, and the result - it was disgusting. I think it was one of the most humiliating day as a fan. The loss against como has significant bearing for me because at this moment in time it means we are not even a top 4-5 team in the league, that even Como and maybe atalanta will overtake us. We have stooped so low. You know I am wondering if football fans have a life cycle and I might be reaching the end of it now. I hate Italia with a passion now, even though they were my first favorite team when I was growing up. I feel like I am heading in a similar path with Juve... it is a tough pill to swallow and becoming more bitter than sweet...

 

[Alin]

Many valid points being discussed here, it might be a bit of everything tbh.

Personally i think the are many factors that got us on this downward trajectory for so long and it all starts probably from the multiple expensive flops and failed transfer policies that have gradually weakened us year by year… and ofc the managerial and SD appointments that have all proved to be not only not good enough but some even exceeded all expectations in terms of how bad one can be at the task of assembling a competitive and complete squad.

Otherwise the way the FIGC, FFP, VAR and UEFA have all been systematically targeting us ever since the SuperLeague fiasco surely still plays a big part in our downfall even to this day.

 

[juventus4life]

Did Juve approach Comolli first or vice versa? He was settling down at Toulouse after failing at any clubs he worked for.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Unpopular opinion : It went downhill when we let Pirlo go.

His first season was hardly ideal. His management left a lot to be desired. Yet the team still qualified for CL at the end. Won two trophies too.

Sacking him turned things towards a chain reaction where we were willing to pull the plug at the slightest discomfort. No stability. Its a trend that has continued since, barring Max 2.0 who was given multiple seasons and still sucked ass.

If anyone, we neede stability after Max 1.0 and Pirlo should have been given a longer run.


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[Robee]

Well, if we're talking this season it's quite easy; Keeping Tudor and NOT getting Kolo Muani.

Before...; too much to list.

 

[s4tch]

Conveniently ignored because it won't fit the narrative as if AA wasn't the one who hired him in first place and hold his hand after that samp like disaster of a season until we got going as if beppone didn't manage to dismantle a world class midfield as if gol di muntari never happened and so on..

and if you ask turk beppe was a good riddance and paratici had the right ideas

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

decline started during marotta's term. it has nothing to do with that bald fucker leaving.

 

[kappa96]

3 key moments.
AA betting the future of the club on the superleague project and in doing so overestimating his power and influence in the footballing world.

AA drinking the Paratici cool aid , myself included , when in hindsight Paratici just cought a lucky break(with cr7) and was actually a loose cannon , far away from beppone balanced approach .

Covid - who destroyed us , in a time we're we were gambling our future with the Ronaldo and de ligt transfers .

 

[TheLaz]

Also adding to the mix here:

• Failed to renew Carlos Tevez. He was player of the year and we replaced him with €90m for a 28 year old Higuain to fucking Napoli - a financial gift.
• Failed to renew Claudio Marchisio at 31/32 years old.
• Massively overpaying on Ronaldo (33 y.o. at the time of arrival). Was quality but the balance of the squad tipped too much to make him work out. And he was too old to build a squad around him over a season or two, we needed instant succes and all other transfers were rushed.
• Huge spending on players were way off: Pjaca €29m, Rovella €26m, Bernardeschi €40m, De Ligt €85m, Arthur €80m, Vlahovic €83m, Koopmeiners €53m.

 

[.zero]

When the decision was made to turn Juventus into a lifestyle brand. Our entire history and core values is based on winning trophies. This is what brings in money, reputation, and new supporters.

I can accept not being competitive in the UCL due to the financial gap. But in Italy? Serious questions need to be asked of senior manglement and ownership.

This club has a massive identity crisis and is lacking leadership.

I wonder who made the at decision….?

What genius with power and a marketing degree?

 

[Akshen]

Someone here said when we lost Pirlo, but I would argue that it happened when Pjanic stopped playing. We lost the playmaker and weren't able to find a replacement.
Then there is Marotta leaving which wad big part in our transfer plans, once he was gone we became totally careless on the market and splashed money on shit.
The third big turning point to me was Chiesa injury, we splashed tons of money on him and basically lost his quality.
So to me, it started with Marotta leaving and giving so much freedom to Paratici, fallout of Pjanic and Chiesa injury.

 

[maxi]

Was a combination of factors. JJ rebrand was certainly a contributing one but not the main one. Marotta's departure I think was the beginning of the fall, but I remember thinking at the time it was for the better given that his philosophy was oriented on bargain-hunting which didn't suit us at a period where we were already an established top club in Europe and needed to spend big on blockbuster type deals to stay afloat as a CL contender. It was the mismanagement that followed him in Paratici that got us to where we are now. We got rid of players like Khedira and Pjanic who, although they definitely needed to go, were replaced by the likes of Ramsey and Bentancur. That cycle still continues to this day. I can't remember the time, other than Bremer, where we actually strengthened an area.

You could argue that Ronaldo bankrupted us but I don't buy it as an excuse. We've had cash injections from Exor and every time we waste them on crap like Openda and Koopmeiners. Series of expensive gambles that don't pay off (Vlahovic). These players don't rebuild teams. We need to go back to early Marotta style transfers. No more mental midgets. Muller, Silva e t c. yes they're past their primes but I guarantee you they'd play with grinta and be 10x better than the current crop of jabroni shit we have wearing our colours.

 

[Gep]

Pains to see us in this state. You can forgive the odd season here and there as many clubs goes through changes but with us it’s been a consistent downfall spiral for many seasons now. Not to mention the abysmal decisions against going against us which hasn’t helped nor is that really an excuse as we seem to not know how to beat teams anymore. I will always reiterate that we should go balls deep on a great manager. Stop with the finding the cheap option and trying to get lucky like we did with Conte.

 

[mjromeo81]

https://football-italia.net/only-2-successful-juventus-signings-3-years/

All Juventus signings of the last three seasons

2023-24
Timothy Weah from Lille (€11m)
Tiago Djalo from Lille (€5.1m)
Carlos Alcaraz on loan from Southampton (€3.9m)
Facundo Gonzalez (€1.75m)

Also exercised options/obligations to buy for Manuel Locatelli from Sassuolo, Moise Kean from Everton and Arkadiusz Milik from Marseille.


2024-25
Teun Koopmeiners from Atalanta (€58.4m)
Douglas Luiz from Aston Villa (€51.5m)
Khephren Thuram from Nice (€20.6m)
Alberto Costa from Vitoria Guimaraes (€13.8m)
Francisco Conceicao on loan from Porto (€9.5m)
Nico Gonzalez on loan from Fiorentina (€8.4m)
Vasilije Adzic from Pogorica (€7.2m)
Michele Di Gregorio on loan from Monza (€4.5m)
Lloyd Kelly on loan from Newcastle (€3.8m)
Randal Kolo Muani on loan from PSG (€3.6m)
Pierre Kalulu on loan from Milan (€3.3m)


2025-26
Edon Zhegrova from Lille (€15.5m)
Joao Mario from Porto (€12.6m)
Lois Openda on loan from RB Leipzig (€3.3m)
Jonathan David from Lille (free)
Emil Holm, on loan from Bologna (free)
Jeremie Boga on loan from Nice (free)

Also exercised options/obligations to buy for Francisco Conceicao, Nico Gonzalez, Lloyd Kelly, Pierre Kalulu and Michele Di Gregorio.


How many of these were good signings?

This is the difference between us and Manchester United. When United fuck up, they can afford to roll the dice again. When we fuck up, we are paying for the mistake over the next 5 years.

 

[Wings]

Italy happened. It was just a matter of time before they shot themselves in the foot. Tribal mentality, archaic stadiums, averse to development & instead of taking advantage of this we let our guards down & tried to play the gentlemen.

 

[Alex-444]

Also adding to the mix here:

• Failed to renew Carlos Tevez. He was player of the year and we replaced him with €90m for a 28 year old Higuain to fucking Napoli - a financial gift.
• Failed to renew Claudio Marchisio at 31/32 years old.
• Massively overpaying on Ronaldo (33 y.o. at the time of arrival). Was quality but the balance of the squad tipped too much to make him work out. And he was too old to build a squad around him over a season or two, we needed instant succes and all other transfers were rushed.
• Huge spending on players were way off: Pjaca €29m, Rovella €26m, Bernardeschi €40m, De Ligt €85m, Arthur €80m, Vlahovic €83m, Koopmeiners €53m.

these are 4 kvaratskhelia and 2 Holland (when ln was young) dumb jj

 

[Ventus]

Also adding to the mix here:

• Failed to renew Carlos Tevez. He was player of the year and we replaced him with €90m for a 28 year old Higuain to fucking Napoli - a financial gift.
• Failed to renew Claudio Marchisio at 31/32 years old.
• Massively overpaying on Ronaldo (33 y.o. at the time of arrival). Was quality but the balance of the squad tipped too much to make him work out. And he was too old to build a squad around him over a season or two, we needed instant succes and all other transfers were rushed.
• Huge spending on players were way off: Pjaca €29m, Rovella €26m, Bernardeschi €40m, De Ligt €85m, Arthur €80m, Vlahovic €83m, Koopmeiners €53m.

Tevez was replaced by Dybala not Higuain.

Also I think everyone is underestimating how good Ronaldo was. He just won the CL 3 years in a row and was the best player in the world. Ronaldo isn't the reason we signed terrible players afterwards.