So when did it all go wrong? (Let's address the issue) (2 Viewers)
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I agree 100%, but for me i think i am done
permanently with this club and corrupt league, that passion is now gone.All those ups and downs, then 2006 proved to me , that juventus is not the cause of this leagues problems, but the perfect scape goat, for the ills of this corrupt league.Every team does worse but we pay the price, and the nitwit owner does nothing, that is the real issue for me, either you fight for this club, or sell it.There is no way about it.I don't see much of a future with this useless owner let alone the incompetence of the managers that this twat of an owner put in charge.Sorry for the rant, guys take care.
permanently with this club and corrupt league, that passion is now gone.All those ups and downs, then 2006 proved to me , that juventus is not the cause of this leagues problems, but the perfect scape goat, for the ills of this corrupt league.Every team does worse but we pay the price, and the nitwit owner does nothing, that is the real issue for me, either you fight for this club, or sell it.There is no way about it.I don't see much of a future with this useless owner let alone the incompetence of the managers that this twat of an owner put in charge.Sorry for the rant, guys take care.
Your rant is absolutely justified, I'm mostly done with the club too. After over 30 years following it I simply don't have the same passion for it anymore. This isn't the club I grew up watching.
Already canceled my Paramount subscription so no more matches for me this season.
I feel everybody already stated all the reasons why we are where we are so I have nothing to add. It's just a shame that a club that was once one of the most respected in the world allowed itself to lose it's identity and be ran like this.
Already canceled my Paramount subscription so no more matches for me this season.
I feel everybody already stated all the reasons why we are where we are so I have nothing to add. It's just a shame that a club that was once one of the most respected in the world allowed itself to lose it's identity and be ran like this.
This is the one. AA recognised that we couldn't keep up with the massive clubs. Hired Beppe and took a 'bargains and youth opportunities' approach to transfers. 90% hit rate. Results came, profile raised. The Jj thing was probably a good business idea but we dropped the ball on the sporting results.
This topic has been rinsed many times. Here are two massive posts I wrote and that I'm not gonna re-read but they are probably bang on accurate and correct.
This topic has been rinsed many times. Here are two massive posts I wrote and that I'm not gonna re-read but they are probably bang on accurate and correct.
The success we enjoyed for so long was mostly down to smart hires. Beppe was a smart hire, and he in turn was responsible for the smart hires that most obviously brought success on the pitch. Conte was another smart hire, as was Allegri the 1st time around. Pedroflu was talking about us needing to find a new Beppe and a new Conte, and I was making the case that we have a new Beppe in Cherubini and that while finding the right coach is important, there's something more broadly wrong at the club.
I give Agnelli credit (though I don't know much about the ins and outs of these deals) for signing Beppe, Conte and Allegri just as recognising that he fucked it with...well, everybody else he signed lol, including Del Neri. Andrea arrived ready to bark back at the FIGC, giving us the backbone we were seemingly afraid to show since 2006, with the legal action over the stolen scudetti etc etc. It seems that that pugnacious attitude has been curtailed as part of the attempt to rebrand us as a safe brand to identify with, a smiley, clinical, modern team who Twitch streamers can theme their channels around.
I guess it was calculated we'd try to build a global following to help us survive long-term. Maybe it was the right call, but the identity of us being a team of ugly, hairy hardworking dudes who will win by gruelling harder than the other team has been thrown away as part of that (despite Agnelli being hairy and ugly himself). The Super League was gonna be full USA-style sport, ready for export worldwide and we were ready to seem bland, inoffensive and accessible to those new eyes maybe seeing us for the first time.
These are decisions that Agnelli has made that have fallen flat and left us standing about holding our cocks. I completely agree with your assessment that we need to be run properly if we still have ambitions in football and not just as "a lifestyle brand". My point about the family heirloom wasn't that Juventus needs a soft touch. I meant the opposite - it should be run how it was in the glory days, rather than trying to gut it of decades of identity in order to blend in with the awful, cringey tiktok PG-13 trends to try and get gamers to pick us on FIFA. Fuck all that: hire the right people in the right positions and bring back the grinta on the pitch. AA should be conscious always that both that he is an Agnelli, and that he is the Chairman of Juventus, and he should act like he's ready to live up to those.
I give Agnelli credit (though I don't know much about the ins and outs of these deals) for signing Beppe, Conte and Allegri just as recognising that he fucked it with...well, everybody else he signed lol, including Del Neri. Andrea arrived ready to bark back at the FIGC, giving us the backbone we were seemingly afraid to show since 2006, with the legal action over the stolen scudetti etc etc. It seems that that pugnacious attitude has been curtailed as part of the attempt to rebrand us as a safe brand to identify with, a smiley, clinical, modern team who Twitch streamers can theme their channels around.
I guess it was calculated we'd try to build a global following to help us survive long-term. Maybe it was the right call, but the identity of us being a team of ugly, hairy hardworking dudes who will win by gruelling harder than the other team has been thrown away as part of that (despite Agnelli being hairy and ugly himself). The Super League was gonna be full USA-style sport, ready for export worldwide and we were ready to seem bland, inoffensive and accessible to those new eyes maybe seeing us for the first time.
These are decisions that Agnelli has made that have fallen flat and left us standing about holding our cocks. I completely agree with your assessment that we need to be run properly if we still have ambitions in football and not just as "a lifestyle brand". My point about the family heirloom wasn't that Juventus needs a soft touch. I meant the opposite - it should be run how it was in the glory days, rather than trying to gut it of decades of identity in order to blend in with the awful, cringey tiktok PG-13 trends to try and get gamers to pick us on FIFA. Fuck all that: hire the right people in the right positions and bring back the grinta on the pitch. AA should be conscious always that both that he is an Agnelli, and that he is the Chairman of Juventus, and he should act like he's ready to live up to those.
The Jj plan was based on recognising we'd continue to fall further behind EPL teams, PSG, BAYERN and Madrid financially because Italy refused to modernise even after seeing how well it worked for us.
So the plan was to maximise prestige and profile of Juventus itself. Part of that was to mould it into a lifestyle brand and not just a football team and on the pitch to finally win the Champions League again, which was AA's real dreama. Super League was also a way to drop the calcio baggage and grow our wallet.
The logo was made more like a fashion brand and not a football crest, and we signed Mr Champions League for 100m, which also then directly raised our profile. The logo thing bailed because regardless of how it looks it's still a football logo and football fans are far too partisan. Signing Ronaldo wrecked the team and the ideology it was based on.
What we should have done is focused on being a football team, and market us along the lines of the Juve DNA: grinta and fino alla fine. Rappers make platinum records talking about rags to riches through sheer hard work: that angle sells ffs. We're not a luxury club we're one that wins not even because we have the best team on paper, but because we work harder than the other guy.
It shouldn't have been about polo shirts to wear in overpriced nightclubs to celebrate success, it should have been gym gear, work suits etc. Stuff you wear while you're hard at work pushing yourself to the limit in pursuit of victory. Ronaldo ironically is the embodiment of this attitude but the management was actually doing the polo shirt thing instead of soberly keeping their noses to the grindstone and dropped the ball big time.
Only now do we look like getting back to where we should on the pitch, but we're doing it in a way that has captured the essence of the club. When we win the Champions League this cycle it will be with the Jj logo, fulfilling AA's dream but doing it the right way not the misguided half-baked scheme he cooked up. We will win it not by celebrating or by being premium but by hard work and refusing to give up. Until the end.
So the plan was to maximise prestige and profile of Juventus itself. Part of that was to mould it into a lifestyle brand and not just a football team and on the pitch to finally win the Champions League again, which was AA's real dreama. Super League was also a way to drop the calcio baggage and grow our wallet.
The logo was made more like a fashion brand and not a football crest, and we signed Mr Champions League for 100m, which also then directly raised our profile. The logo thing bailed because regardless of how it looks it's still a football logo and football fans are far too partisan. Signing Ronaldo wrecked the team and the ideology it was based on.
What we should have done is focused on being a football team, and market us along the lines of the Juve DNA: grinta and fino alla fine. Rappers make platinum records talking about rags to riches through sheer hard work: that angle sells ffs. We're not a luxury club we're one that wins not even because we have the best team on paper, but because we work harder than the other guy.
It shouldn't have been about polo shirts to wear in overpriced nightclubs to celebrate success, it should have been gym gear, work suits etc. Stuff you wear while you're hard at work pushing yourself to the limit in pursuit of victory. Ronaldo ironically is the embodiment of this attitude but the management was actually doing the polo shirt thing instead of soberly keeping their noses to the grindstone and dropped the ball big time.
Only now do we look like getting back to where we should on the pitch, but we're doing it in a way that has captured the essence of the club. When we win the Champions League this cycle it will be with the Jj logo, fulfilling AA's dream but doing it the right way not the misguided half-baked scheme he cooked up. We will win it not by celebrating or by being premium but by hard work and refusing to give up. Until the end.
Allegri ran the fuck out of the players the week of the final. Instead of letting them rest and recover he had them training hard even the day before the final.
So for both finals our players were exhausted and iirc we had a few key players missing including Chiellini
All of this was confirmed by Evra on the Over Lap Podcast.
So for both finals our players were exhausted and iirc we had a few key players missing including Chiellini
All of this was confirmed by Evra on the Over Lap Podcast.
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Incredible mismanagement. If you go back far enough you will find plenty of posters who saw it coming in terms of phasing out the old guard and making signings to continue the dominance. A shame our management couldn't.
Then you factor in the whole Jj nonsense, giving free reign to Tici/Toli etc. The whole issues with ultras and the atmosphere at the stadium being hit.
Then you factor in the whole Jj nonsense, giving free reign to Tici/Toli etc. The whole issues with ultras and the atmosphere at the stadium being hit.
cycle of winning ended that’s normal. There will be new cycle but club needs a a lot of changes. You can’t say they didn’t try and throw money at it. Openda, vlahovic, Koop, Gonzalez, di Gregorio cost club 300m. So clearly money is being used but issue is incompetence and really bad consecutive managerial and administrative decisions.
a real cleansing needs to happen. Starting with milik
a real cleansing needs to happen. Starting with milik
in each of the last 4 seasons juve has had 4 different manager. aside from spaletti the other 3 should not have even been considered and yet they were employed and continued to be employed until damage was done.
then you had 3 different sport directors in the same period. Club is chaos.
Let’s not even talk about the medical staff butchering of players.
how can we expect the players to be good if the top level is this much chaos ?
then you had 3 different sport directors in the same period. Club is chaos.
Let’s not even talk about the medical staff butchering of players.
how can we expect the players to be good if the top level is this much chaos ?
