Superleague but that in itself being rushed outwards like a bad groupwork in school was a reply to covid (after Ronaldo). If we hadn't done the superleague, we'd have recovered a long time ago 'though.
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they have multiple football people at the management and the rare moment they make a mistake, they correct it. similarly to aa, they are also arrogant, but much more competent
it's all about the management and the team. money won't make a club miraculously work, just look at chelsea or united
we need a new marotta more than anything else. the rest will come. until then, banter era
it's all about the management and the team. money won't make a club miraculously work, just look at chelsea or united
we need a new marotta more than anything else. the rest will come. until then, banter era
It’s true, we did try to fix things and reshuffle around by investing lots to reinforce the squad, heck we even changed coaches/directors/SD’s multiple times over but the choices that were made almost all turned out to be flops… poor picks both in terms of who to manage the club and more so in the quality of players, which as you said it probably all stems from the chaotic decision making of the higher echelon.
It almost feels like there’s no way out of this mess, but there must be, even if it means sacking everyone again and reinvesting even more this time around, but more importantly a mentality change is needed.
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Then covid happened and afterwards the SuperLeague fiasco along with the plusvalenze case… been quite the turbulent years yet we still managed to stay above water and returned with a failed ‘grandiose’ project under Giuntoli which wasted a fortune on flops only to then change to a more cost saving approach via Commolli which is turning to be an even more costly mistake on the long run.
It almost feels like there’s no way out of this mess, but there must be, even if it means sacking everyone again and reinvesting even more this time around, but more importantly a mentality change is needed.
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Then covid happened and afterwards the SuperLeague fiasco along with the plusvalenze case… been quite the turbulent years yet we still managed to stay above water and returned with a failed ‘grandiose’ project under Giuntoli which wasted a fortune on flops only to then change to a more cost saving approach via Commolli which is turning to be an even more costly mistake on the long run.
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I have been to Italy recently, spoke with a lot of Juve fans in 4 cities, tried to connect the dots.
I thought they didn't care, i thought most of our problems are because of a groups of managers that control the players we buy and use.
Which is not far from true, but the reason behind it, is not only to make their own cut at the expense of Juve, they could have done that and let us win some silverware.
The problem is deeper and lies with our owners, of course they decide everything, they decide the managers who are running our club and we have seen and suffered for more than a decade now, their priority is not Juve's success.
They are inheritors, they are not as capable as the great agnelii of the past who have formed the empire.
They merely want to preserve it and keep making money.
Stellantis and Juventus are a big part of the front the whole exor company is set.
The exor company has many shareholders, but the cousins control it.
Andrea made many enemies and had to step down from official positions, never to return, should this occur, Ceferin and the Italian federation will find a way to topple us violently and immediately.
Elkann is much more modest and indifferent, he just wants the money to keep flowing.
There is a surplus of money, that is coming from side activities, not very illegal i hope, just tax evading.
And the easiest way to wash that money is to put in football through capital injections,
we have seen them happening every 2-3 years and the Agnelli want an excuse to keep them coming.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/juve...0-capital-increase-via-share-sale-2025-11-20/
there are various way using proxies and shares that cannot be tracked and even if you lose value, you gain washed money.
We need to generate debt, hence the big salaries to mediocre players, hense the reason we never put any performance clause and are keep paying players and coached we booted several years ago.
Same managers make profit out of those deals of course but this is not the main reason it's happening.
The main reason is that we want the debt as an excuse to pour more money.
So you see that we put clueless Commolis to overspend on mediocre Openda and Noone is held accountable.The only fear Elkann has, is that fans may demand him to sell the front, so he needs ready made scapegoats, coaches and directors who appear to make the wrong decisions.
When the situation gets tough, they are axed and getting a Pre-agreed hefty compensation, big enough not to care , big enough not to speak.
No matter how hard a coach, a player, or a manager have failed with us, no one speaks ill of us.
Many renowned coaches like Mourinho, Conte, klopp, would demand partial control over those decisions and would not risk the prestige hit, just for the cash.
So this is way we only get the kind of coaches we do and they tolerate the situation we have. And thats what Spaletti meant, that even with that overpriced material, they are still better for serie A level than the most and ought to win, even without performing their theoretical value.
For year i have been outlining details and patters here and there and now i have connected some dots, seeing this big pictures can explain most of our situation...
I thought they didn't care, i thought most of our problems are because of a groups of managers that control the players we buy and use.
Which is not far from true, but the reason behind it, is not only to make their own cut at the expense of Juve, they could have done that and let us win some silverware.
The problem is deeper and lies with our owners, of course they decide everything, they decide the managers who are running our club and we have seen and suffered for more than a decade now, their priority is not Juve's success.
They are inheritors, they are not as capable as the great agnelii of the past who have formed the empire.
They merely want to preserve it and keep making money.
Stellantis and Juventus are a big part of the front the whole exor company is set.
The exor company has many shareholders, but the cousins control it.
Andrea made many enemies and had to step down from official positions, never to return, should this occur, Ceferin and the Italian federation will find a way to topple us violently and immediately.
Elkann is much more modest and indifferent, he just wants the money to keep flowing.
There is a surplus of money, that is coming from side activities, not very illegal i hope, just tax evading.
And the easiest way to wash that money is to put in football through capital injections,
we have seen them happening every 2-3 years and the Agnelli want an excuse to keep them coming.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/juve...0-capital-increase-via-share-sale-2025-11-20/
there are various way using proxies and shares that cannot be tracked and even if you lose value, you gain washed money.
We need to generate debt, hence the big salaries to mediocre players, hense the reason we never put any performance clause and are keep paying players and coached we booted several years ago.
Same managers make profit out of those deals of course but this is not the main reason it's happening.
The main reason is that we want the debt as an excuse to pour more money.
So you see that we put clueless Commolis to overspend on mediocre Openda and Noone is held accountable.The only fear Elkann has, is that fans may demand him to sell the front, so he needs ready made scapegoats, coaches and directors who appear to make the wrong decisions.
When the situation gets tough, they are axed and getting a Pre-agreed hefty compensation, big enough not to care , big enough not to speak.
No matter how hard a coach, a player, or a manager have failed with us, no one speaks ill of us.
Many renowned coaches like Mourinho, Conte, klopp, would demand partial control over those decisions and would not risk the prestige hit, just for the cash.
So this is way we only get the kind of coaches we do and they tolerate the situation we have. And thats what Spaletti meant, that even with that overpriced material, they are still better for serie A level than the most and ought to win, even without performing their theoretical value.
For year i have been outlining details and patters here and there and now i have connected some dots, seeing this big pictures can explain most of our situation...
Define "flop".
What I did say immediately when signing him is that we spent hundreds of millions just to become a worse team. And that it would take many years to recover from it as well. I always thought that was obvious. Then again, no one else did. So it probably wasn't that obvious.
I did not expect such a massive downfall, however.
What I did say immediately when signing him is that we spent hundreds of millions just to become a worse team. And that it would take many years to recover from it as well. I always thought that was obvious. Then again, no one else did. So it probably wasn't that obvious.
I did not expect such a massive downfall, however.
I don't think this crew believes they weren't f**kups. Because clearly they are. You don't take a team winning nine Scudetti straight and then dump €200m to end up in the Europa League without some culpability.
Players are overpaid and uninspiring. Pieces don't fit together. Too many Hail Mary wishes for the one great change that will fix a legacy of bad decisions and mediocrity.
There's no escaping the stench of the cesspool not getting on you.
Players are overpaid and uninspiring. Pieces don't fit together. Too many Hail Mary wishes for the one great change that will fix a legacy of bad decisions and mediocrity.
There's no escaping the stench of the cesspool not getting on you.
