Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (398 Viewers)

mOUTta or not?


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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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we lost 17 points from leading positions. we let napoli overturn the result without a single shot in the 2nd half

i've been extremely patient with motta and with most players. mistakes happen with a young team, always will, it's not a juve thing. young players are simply immature and more error prone than those in their prime, that's obvious. but when you lose 17 points and you have only 37, it means you have to work harder, rotate better, and especially read the changes in the dynamics of the match much better. even if we had many injuries and were forced to play guys outside of their position, these are mostly on the coach

on the coach who never showed any tactical flexibility DURING THE MATCHES. motta can prepare us well for most matches, at the beginning we usually play well or at least not worse than the opponents (with the exception of stuttgart and inda games). but when the other team makes any change, motta is completely unable to react. i can't remember any in-game tactical change during this season. i missed this game but it was enough to take a look at the 2nd half stats to realize that conte could change the course of the game and motta didn't react at all. zero shots during the 2nd half, with all due respect, what the fuck

he needs to learn, and gain experience before becoming a classy coach. i wish him the best elsewhere, i also think i've seen enough

and giuntoli should have a last warning too. he dismantled the morale of the team last january when he contacted motta behind allegri's back, got rid of experienced players, didn't even keep the last one (danilo), and is sleepwalking through the winter mercato. that's our club now, zero expectations, zero urgency, zero leadership, zero accountability, so he'll stay for a while. it's manchester united without the money, isn't it

i want juventus back, jj's been a bad joke
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
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Just move on, Allegri was fired for a reason.
Yes and rightly so but it was not for underperforming like this with the squad at hand. Pretty sure he'd be competing with this team. But it's water under the bridge. Needed new impulses.

The problem now is we're seeing zero progress at all within the season. On the contrary; we started promising and we haven't recovered one bit of that flow ever since Bremer's injury.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Yes and rightly so but it was not for underperforming like this with the squad at hand. Pretty sure he'd be competing with this team. But it's water under the bridge. Needed new impulses.

The problem now is we're seeing zero progress at all within the season. On the contrary; we started promising and we haven't recovered one bit of that flow ever since Bremer's injury.
Also lets not forget his 9m salary
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
32,982
Jesus Christ. Quite an achievement to have less points than Pirlo.
pirlo had ronaldo, pre-injury chiesa, a pretty solid de ligt, prime tek, not fully finished cuadrado, plus chiellini and buffon to provide experience in the locker. even that alex sandro was better than our current options (and i'm considering form here, cambiaso has been shit for weeks). it was a more experienced team, no contest. put that ronaldo in this current instead of vlahovic, replace gatti with de ligt, savona with cuadrado, and it's a different team
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Yes and rightly so but it was not for underperforming like this with the squad at hand. Pretty sure he'd be competing with this team. But it's water under the bridge. Needed new impulses.

The problem now is we're seeing zero progress at all within the season. On the contrary; we started promising and we haven't recovered one bit of that flow ever since Bremer's injury.
How can you claim Allegri would do better with this squad when every single player the last two seasons were underperforming?

The signings were bad. Allegri wouldn't make them any better. Stop the nonsense and move on.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,115
Aa Ive said the other day, Allegri would have won the title this and probably last season if Giuntolli didnt sabotage him.
You are not wrong

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How can you claim Allegri would do better with this squad when every single player the last two seasons were underperforming?

The signings were bad. Allegri wouldn't make them any better. Stop the nonsense and move on.
I don't know imperical evidence that gets posted every week shows he did more with less so
 

Tak!

Senior Member
Jun 23, 2011
4,158
While there are several negative take-away's I think we should calm down a bit. It was a disappointing loss, a stupid tackle by Loca and a Napoli well-rested and well-prepared in an away game.

Let Allegri go. I don't want to see him here ever again.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,115
While there are several negative take-away's I think we should calm down a bit. It was a disappointing loss, a stupid tackle by Loca and a Napoli well-rested and well-prepared in an away game.

Let Allegri go. I don't want to see him here ever again.
Hahahaha calm down. We're slowly becoming Roma and you say calm down
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,505
While there are several negative take-away's I think we should calm down a bit. It was a disappointing loss, a stupid tackle by Loca and a Napoli well-rested and well-prepared in an away game.

Let Allegri go. I don't want to see him here ever again.
Yes, but it's hard to swallow, that second half was so bad, it's actually unreal.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
32,982
How can you claim Allegri would do better with this squad when every single player the last two seasons were underperforming?

The signings were bad. Allegri wouldn't make them any better. Stop the nonsense and move on.
i like allegri but i wanted him gone. i saw plenty of good teams playing bad football and still winning (capello), plenty of good teams playing good football and losing titles (lippi's juve never won 3 scudetti in a row, he has a record of 5 scudetti in 8 seasons, which is still fucking excellent, but still), i'm not interested in style points usually. but allegriball was unwatchable

i also said that until last january/february (famous milik red and draw against empoli, then the following loss to inda to end our season), even though we played like shit on most occasions, we couldn't have collected more points with any other coach. and i stand by that statement. that was a weak squad punching well above their weight, then became a weak squad shitting the bed with that long terrible run. allegri fully deserved to be sacked - even if giuntoli sabotaged him. happy that max left with a bang. life isn't black and white, right?

as for the signings, this summer mercato's tuz ratings were excellent. how is it possible that in september a mercato is worth an 8, then 4 months later it's suddenly a 2?

i think it's a club thing. we are blood thirsty sjw's, we prefer to have ONE scapegoat, but there isn't just one. there's the owner (exor, especially elkann) who has a sinking stellantis to worry about and is doing the bare minimum to keep juve afloat. they are always there when jj needs some $$$ injection, but look at our appointed managers, especially our president and ceo, those fucking nobodies have no business around a football club. giuntoli seems to be an ass to work with, and at the same time he never ran a football club on his own. it's like any banter era for a big club, be it current manchester united, real's long run without a cl title despite all the efforts of the world, or the two milano trannies' worst years while we were dominating the shit out of them. inda needed a marotta and a conte, real needed some sensible (defensive) midfield signings, milan needed some (obligate) patience towards a young team and a mid-season ibrahimovic arrival to start clicking. i have no idea what we'd need, i'm just saying that tacchinardi is spot on when he says that the club and motta are not obsessed with winning. i don't know whether replacing motta with someone like tudor (who was my first pick to replace allegri) would help at all, or we'd need more expensive players, bigger wage bill, start from serie b after firing everyone and finishing the season with the next gen, i really don't know. all i think that it's a club thing.

i don't even like the fucker but i feel that conte could make us perform much, much better. in sports hard work pays off. and this team isn't working hard enough when we're throwing away a 2nd half without a fight.
 

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