Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (402 Viewers)

mOUTta or not?


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    Thesis:

    Early in the szn the team was still gelling on the field with James ideas.

    Injuries struck which exposed the lack of depth which was not a surpise.

    Positive moments and performances.

    Bremer was the base and saved many points.

    Kalulu isn't batman. He's a compliment to Bremer. Which allowed him to shine early on.

    As soon as we lost Bremer the team not only lost it's best player, but also it's leader and safety net.

    Then Koop started getting more minutes.

    It's clear James in trying to fit a round peg (Koop) into a square hole. It's also clear that it isn't working.

    Forcing the 60m investment into the lineup has disrupted the team. He's clearly off of his game.

    Expecting Savona, Gatti, Kalu, Cambia, Loca and the others to help protect a lead is a valid expectation but clearly they are not a good unit when they are out of possession.

    James has been dealt a tough intro szn with his best player and leader out, and forcing a player who is unable to contribute and produce.

    James can't heal Bremer. But he should stop forcing Koop in the lineup. Fvck the price tag on Koop. He is at Jj where the only thing matters is winning. If he has any chance of surviving, Koop cannot be forced into the lineup. Junes needs to sign depth for James.

    I'll hang up and listen for your thoughts off air.

    Pls discuss
     

    Mr Chocolate

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    Dec 23, 2012
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    Motta: “I want to win as a coach; that’s why I chose this profession. But for me today winning it’s not an obsession. I must be calm patient and convinced of our strength."
    Gay as fuck, literally the #1 obsession of a coach should be winning, hard to be convinved of any sort of strength when your 5th in the table

    Young coach waiting for progress project rubbish is nonsense too, anyone who coaches a big team should be ready to coach a big team as soon as they sign the contract, Fiorenina, Lazio, Bologna, Chievo Verona is where young coaches can learn and make mistakes, can't do it at a big club.

    But younger coach = less demanding to shit management = shitter decisions from the club = shitter team = harder job for the young inexperienced coach = shitter results = "Its just a project"
     

    Pirlo's Beard

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    Oct 2, 2013
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    Looking like a failed experiment. I know our squad isn't exactly Real Madrid calibre but we should be walking into the top 4 in this league

    The only reason I wouldn't sack him now is because we'd just end up getting some random ass journeyman coach to replace him
     

    Xperd

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    Jun 1, 2012
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    Looking like a failed experiment. I know our squad isn't exactly Real Madrid calibre but we should be walking into the top 4 in this league

    The only reason I wouldn't sack him now is because we'd just end up getting some random ass journeyman coach to replace him
    Exactly. If the next paisan is Mancini, what's the point really..?

    Might as well give another season to see how this project goes
     
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    Club leadership has been explicitly clear what the priority is.

    Hire a paisan they deem is worthy.

    Set softball goals like qualify for CL

    Rinse and repeat
     

    Hust

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    May 29, 2005
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    Thesis:

    Early in the szn the team was still gelling on the field with James ideas.

    Injuries struck which exposed the lack of depth which was not a surpise.

    Positive moments and performances.

    Bremer was the base and saved many points.

    Kalulu isn't batman. He's a compliment to Bremer. Which allowed him to shine early on.

    As soon as we lost Bremer the team not only lost it's best player, but also it's leader and safety net.

    Then Koop started getting more minutes.

    It's clear James in trying to fit a round peg (Koop) into a square hole. It's also clear that it isn't working.

    Forcing the 60m investment into the lineup has disrupted the team. He's clearly off of his game.

    Expecting Savona, Gatti, Kalu, Cambia, Loca and the others to help protect a lead is a valid expectation but clearly they are not a good unit when they are out of possession.

    James has been dealt a tough intro szn with his best player and leader out, and forcing a player who is unable to contribute and produce.

    James can't heal Bremer. But he should stop forcing Koop in the lineup. Fvck the price tag on Koop. He is at Jj where the only thing matters is winning. If he has any chance of surviving, Koop cannot be forced into the lineup. Junes needs to sign depth for James.

    I'll hang up and listen for your thoughts off air.

    Pls discuss
    Pls discuss

    ok - meh supportive argument

    Bremer was the base and saved many points

    This is the key to me - Don't most clubs sorta have a plan B if their best player(s) go down? If this guy was the base and at a singular level saved us points, the moment he goes down with a season ending injury, why are we on 26JAN2025 with no new player that can hold it down and offer a leg up for defense?

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    IMO we spent too much on Koop and now we have nothing left in the tank to get us to the next gas station lol

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    And why don't we try for ZZ?
     
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    Pls discuss

    ok - meh supportive argument

    Bremer was the base and saved many points

    This is the key to me - Don't most clubs sorta have a plan B if their best player(s) go down? If this guy was the base and at a singular level saved us points, the moment he goes down with a season ending injury, why are we on 26JAN2025 with no new player that can hold it down and offer a leg up for defense?

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    IMO we spent too much on Koop and now we have nothing left in the tank to get us to the next gas station lol

    It’s hard to find bench players suitable enough to fill in for a player like Bremer. Jj fans revert to rugano and dean but the truth is they are not good enough. If you’re not good enough to beat out Gatti for a starting spot of 1st option off the bench then that speaks volumes. Sadly Jj fans no comprendo this fact.
    Koop is a bust thus far. Tough to argue against it. Take as old as time for Jj
     

    Hust

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    It’s hard to find bench players suitable enough to fill in for a player like Bremer. Jj fans revert to rugano and dean but the truth is they are not good enough. If you’re not good enough to beat out Gatti for a starting spot of 1st option off the bench then that speaks volumes. Sadly Jj fans no comprendo this fact.
    Koop is a bust thus far. Tough to argue against it. Take as old as time for Jj
    Then Giuntoli has to go. Overspent on a bust that complicated our future reinforcements, in otherwards, left us with no ability to react to serious injuries to key players. Not saying we need a 2nd Bremer on the bench waiting, but why do we pay scouts to have player list for the club ready to go?
     
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    The previous leadership gave the last administration so much leeway that the club lowered its standards.


    Doesn’t this new pROjECt deserve the same?
     

    Xperd

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    Jun 1, 2012
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    Pls discuss

    ok - meh supportive argument

    Bremer was the base and saved many points

    This is the key to me - Don't most clubs sorta have a plan B if their best player(s) go down? If this guy was the base and at a singular level saved us points, the moment he goes down with a season ending injury, why are we on 26JAN2025 with no new player that can hold it down and offer a leg up for defense?

    - - - Updated - - -

    IMO we spent too much on Koop and now we have nothing left in the tank to get us to the next gas station lol

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    And why don't we try for ZZ?
    City have been woeful without Rodri. He has been massively influential for them and it has derailed their season.

    As for plan B, the alternative will have to be a viable and quality one as well.

    Teams like City can casually spend 200M in January to address their issues. JJ will have to rely on big sales to do that which can be counterproductive.

    What I would criticize Junktoli for is the complete disregard for experienced champions in the squad. You can't win immediately with an inexperienced team, inexperienced coach and purchasing players on potential. Unfortunately, the guys who were supposed to make an immediate Impact like Koop and Luiz have been big fails as well.

    It all comes down to what kind of ambition the leadership group at JJ have. The result of hiring Motta in the summer is we don't have the financial resources nor the ambition to go after big personality coaches. So you take a gamble on an up and comer and hope things work out. Unfortunately it hasn't.
     

    Hust

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    City have been woeful without Rodri. He has been massively influential for them and it has derailed their season.

    As for plan B, the alternative will have to be a viable and quality one as well.

    Teams like City can casually spend 200M in January to address their issues. JJ will have to rely on big sales to do that which can be counterproductive.

    What I would criticize Junktoli for is the complete disregard for experienced champions in the squad. You can't win immediately with an inexperienced team, inexperienced coach and purchasing players on potential. Unfortunately, the guys who were supposed to make an immediate Impact like Koop and Luiz have been big fails as well.

    It all comes down to what kind of ambition the leadership group at JJ have. The result of hiring Motta in the summer is we don't have the financial resources nor the ambition to go after big personality coaches. So you take a gamble on an up and comer and hope things work out. Unfortunately it hasn't.
    I wonder why we never seemed to go after ZZ. Maybe we did and he politely declined.

    As far as Koop/Luiz...man, that's a lot of money down the drain. Baffles me that we had an SD that could do more with less but this SD has done less with more.

    We were given a budget with X amount and it seems like it ALL went to the starting lineup only, and little to adding depth in our key positions. And yes I agree that we no longer have any experience/age in the team.
     

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