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[Scottish]

I just watched this which for once mentioned us only in passing- but as I wasn't around when it was going down I was hoping somebody could give me a summary of what happened with us.

I had a quick Google and it sounds like links were found between the Drughi, Viking and other ultra groups and the Mafia to do with ticket touting. How was Agnelli wrapped up in it? There was obviously a period when we had no ultras groups, which thankfully seems to be over. Did they get banned by the club or by the state?

 

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[s4tch]

I just watched this which for once mentioned us only in passing- but as I wasn't around when it was going down I was hoping somebody could give me a summary of what happened with us.

I had a quick Google and it sounds like links were found between the Drughi, Viking and other ultra groups and the Mafia to do with ticket touting. How was Agnelli wrapped up in it? There was obviously a period when we had no ultras groups, which thankfully seems to be over. Did they get banned by the club or by the state?

it dates back to 2017, the club received a fine, and agnelli also had to pay for selling tickets to ndrangheta related ultra groups. we also played a game behind closed doors. it all started with the death of a juve ultra (bucci) who had connections to both the club and ndrangheta

some speculate that's the reason why agnelli eventually fired marotta. then he ended up at inda, and a few years later an inda ultra murdered a fellow fan and the rest is probably documented in the video.

 

[Scottish]

it dates back to 2017, the club received a fine, and agnelli also had to pay for selling tickets to ndrangheta related ultra groups. we also played a game behind closed doors. it all started with the death of a juve ultra (bucci) who had connections to both the club and ndrangheta

some speculate that's the reason why agnelli eventually fired marotta. then he ended up at inda, and a few years later an inda ultra murdered a fellow fan and the rest is probably documented in the video.

How tenuous are the Marotta mafia links?

 

[s4tch]

How tenuous are the Marotta mafia links?

officially there aren't any. he walked away from the juve case unharmed, and while he was the ceo then president of inda during the scandal that the video is about, and there's plenty of evidence about his involvement with the ultras, he's never been charged.

unofficially? oh boy, where do i even start lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=marotta+beretta

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Gino Zavanella, architect of the stadium-->

“Everything is possible with today’s techniques — it isn’t simple but it’s feasible … It depends on the scale: +20,000 seats is different from +2,000. For the big option you’d consider a third tier … realistically an expansion should be at least +10,000 seats to reach ~52,000.”

52k would be perfect imo. Probably what it should have been in the first place.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Another reason to increase the capacity.

 

[Siamak]

 

[Knowah]

This is a "who is getting the most CL money" list for the most part, outside the huge ones at the top.

We'd be near 90m if we had been CL the last 3-4 years.

 

[GjergjKastrioti]

anyone knows if there is a option to expanse the stadium? Did they have planing wise options left for eventual expansion in future? Anyone knows? Something like adding 10k or more

 

[Powis]

Gino Zavanella, architect of the stadium-->

“Everything is possible with today’s techniques — it isn’t simple but it’s feasible … It depends on the scale: +20,000 seats is different from +2,000. For the big option you’d consider a third tier … realistically an expansion should be at least +10,000 seats to reach ~52,000.”

@GjergjKastrioti

 

[GjergjKastrioti]

Thank you !

 

[Siamak]

This is a "who is getting the most CL money" list for the most part, outside the huge ones at the top.

We'd be near 90m if we had been CL the last 3-4 years.

The decline in fans of Italian clubs is pretty obvious, especially among the modern generation of football fans. Juve , in particular, has done a really poor job, not just tactically or in terms of results, but the whole management structure has been weak. The club needs to rethink what kind of incentives and facilities it can offer to get more fans into the stadium and What kind of strategy needs be applied to attract more fans from outside Italy and turn them into members who attend home matches at the stadium . Most supporters of Europe’s top clubs are actually foreigners, and even tourists go to stadiums just to watch their teams live.
It works well with football tourism packages, things like bundling match tickets with a stadium tour, the club museum, and a hotel stay. Basically, it’s about partnering with airlines, hotels, and travel agencies. I also think clubs should offer special deals for fans, such as international memberships with real benefits: discounted match tickets, exclusive merchandise like jerseys, and some digital perks(@GJustjuve) too.

 

[Robee]

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

A new stadium is a good idea. We need something smaller for the direction the club and league are heading.

 

[Alin]

It is quite baffling how the ownership didn’t anticipate the need for a potential expansion when building the new stadium, especially with such a small capacity to begin with, which although i agree it probably made sense for the situation that Juve was in at the time and the potential of having a full stadium on most matchdays rather than half empty in many of the less important games… but can be said it was rather short sighted to think that on the long run a team with such a large local and international fanbase wouldn’t find themselves a bit limited by the small number of seats compared to those of other big teams.

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A new stadium is a good idea. We need something smaller for the direction the club and league are heading.

Ideally they should have thought about it beforehand so that an potential expansion could be feasible in the future, however according to the article above it seems that it would require building a new stadium altogether in order to expand which either way would set us back huge amounts of money that we may or may not fully recover even in a decade from now from the extra number of seats alone.

 

[abrakadaver07]

Yeah 40K was pretty disappointing even for 2011.

 

[Robee]

It is quite baffling how the ownership didn’t anticipate the need for a potential expansion when building the new stadium, especially with such a small capacity to begin with, which although i agree it probably made sense for the situation that Juve was in at the time and the potential of having a full stadium on most matchdays rather than half empty in many of the less important games… but can be said it was rather short sighted to think that on the long run a team with such a large local and international fanbase wouldn’t find themselves a bit limited by the small number of seats compared to those of other big teams.

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Ideally they should have thought about it beforehand so that an potential expansion could be feasible in the future, however according to the article above it seems that it would require building a new stadium altogether in order to expand which either way would set us back huge amounts of money that we may or may not fully recover even in a decade from now from the extra number of seats alone.

Foreseeing that might have been a huge cost too and not all that much lower from a new stadium (cost-benefits) back then.

Of course prices have gone up insanely after COVID so the cost would've been a fraction of what it is now but that's easy in hindsight.

As far as I know a smaller increase in capacity was/is possible in the current stadium? The fact they're not looking into doing that says something... Either about the costs, possible incomes or future plans...

Strange situation. Even with the stadium being filled all the time, I don't think we should aim at 20K extra all of a sudden...

 

[mjromeo81]

Build a new stadium in France. Tell Serie Ass to fuck off. Watch them shit their pants.

 

[Stevie]

Rumours of building a new stadium already is crazy.

Maybe we should think about selling this one to Torino and then building a new one somewhere else. Preferably as far away from Italy as possible

 

[Knowah]

#Ferrero, #Juventus president: "The stadium is now over 10 years old, so we're investing to make it modern. Among these aspects is the issue of #security: we as #Juventus apply the concept of banning those who don't behave well. And with this system and thanks to the collaboration with law enforcement, the curve has been cleaned up."